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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Prototype » Sat May 30, 2009 2:54 am

Tuckerfan1053 wrote:That vent opening in the front of the rear wheel on the 'vert picture looks to me like its had some pretty intensive work done on it recently. I'm not sure of how those fenders were originally made (the front are made up of about 5 pieces of metal welded together to make one fender). That might be work that was done on the fender when it was made, and is just now visible, or it could have been done some time later (either repairing damage from when the car rolled or cutting out rust).




Having been around the automotive and aviation industry for almost 30 years, I think that Tucker most likely had access to tool and die making machinery AFTER the "Tin Goose" was completed (I know Since I build Prototype's). Judging by the complexity(of the stampings) , moving into such an enormous facility as the Cicero Ave plant and the talented body knockers he had working for Him, they certainly had made dies for stamping the larger pieces (roof, door sections, doors, inner and outer door skins,..etc..). The Cicero Ave plant as you all know WAS used for the assembly of aircraft engines as well as fuselage parts that required huge 50-100 ton presses to produce these parts. It has been said that Tucker never purchased machinery to actually produce the '48 in large quantities, this most likey does not mean the equipment was not already there, it just was not fully inventoried at the time. Though they had to purchase steel on the open market, it was not hard to produce dies for what he was intending. Look at the Life photos of the car bodies on the assembly line and the patterns on the tables next to 1057. Those could be for anything, but they do show they knew what the were doing (or intended to do). It is possible some of the first few car parts were pieced together, although I think as they progressed, so did the tooling. Even for good Metalcrafter's to produce 57 or so body shells by hand given the time frame they had and to keep consistency, to do so without some kind of tooling would be nearly impossible.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby tractiondk » Sat May 30, 2009 10:01 am

According to "The Indomitable Tin Goose" the body panels for the first 58 bodies in the pilot run, were made by Hayes Body Company in Grand Rapids
http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/h/hayes/hayes.htm
I think these panels were made by dies of Kirksite for a limited run. The permanent metal dies were expected by the end of July 1948. So apparently the planning was much longer that the pilot production.

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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Prototype » Sat May 30, 2009 10:48 am

Traction- You are correct about the Kirksite. It is very similar to gunite, which is what Howard Hughes used to mold the birch plywood for the "Spruce Goose" in a process he developed called duramold. Kirksite is a moldable ,yet very strong substance that can withstand pressure many times it's own strength. The system used by Howard Hughes used medium pressure and steam to cure his resin-impregnated plywood that was very strong and lightweight. He used Gunite because the Gov't would not allow him to have Steel or Aluminum during the war. (The meeting in the Movie never actually took place, but was just a phone call between Hughes and Tucker, during one of Hughes' breakdowns).
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Sat May 30, 2009 11:14 am

Hi, I see see got out of the subject but here are photos at the Tucker factory
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Sat May 30, 2009 11:43 am

I know you would have never tought about this. I did this the other night where I looked for two photos of the same angle and got the cars in the photos to the same scale. As you can see everything is there the same. The fenders, hubcups, hight, hood, all the same scale and look at the surprise. The doors were made longer but the 1027 frame was never cut shorter. You cut ake the whole roof and doors from another car and put them on this car!

I think it would sound better if they said it is 1027 restored as a convertible. :)
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Randy Earle » Sat May 30, 2009 12:08 pm

Excellent! I can see where they had to raise the quarter panel above the rear fender and flatten the metal behind the top well. (I was a body man at a Chevrolet dealership) I see they didn't lengthen the door where the fender fairing ends, they did it between that and the doorhandle. I think the door should have been a little longer though.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tuckerfan1053 » Sat May 30, 2009 12:15 pm

Randy Earle wrote:Excellent! I can see where they had to raise the quarter panel above the rear fender and flatten the metal behind the top well. (I was a body man at a Chevrolet dealership) I see they didn't lengthen the door where the fender fairing ends, they did it between that and the doorhandle. I think the door should have been a little longer though.

Yeah, it should go to about the middle of that blank area where the rear door used to be.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Sat May 30, 2009 12:29 pm

I think it would sound better if they said it is 1027 restored as a convertible

Tucker, that has really been my point all along. Rather than try to sell a story about the
secret car and Project Vera and sneaking it out the backdoor of the plant, why not just
promote it as what it is? Body #1027 restored as a convertible. Most Tucker lovers
would embrace it and be very supportive of their efforts. Personally I would have put a
roof back on it and called it #1027 but that is just me. A restored #1027 would bring
1 million + if it were done properly. After the Tin Goose, #1027 is probably one of the
most well known of all the Tuckers as it is the car that rolled at Indy.

I doubt this "convertible" will bring anything near what a restored #1027 would bring.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Sat May 30, 2009 12:30 pm

Hi Earle, could you send me another private message with your email since it will not let me send you a reply. I have answers to your photo.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Sat May 30, 2009 12:36 pm

Tucker Fan 48 wrote:I think it would sound better if they said it is 1027 restored as a convertible

Tucker, that has really been my point all along. Rather than try to sell a story about the
secret car and Project Vera and sneaking it out the backdoor of the plant, why not just
promote it as what it is? Body #1027 restored as a convertible. Most Tucker lovers
would embrace it and be very supportive of their efforts. Personally I would have put a
roof back on it and called it #1027 but that is just me. A restored #1027 would bring
1 million + if it were done properly. After the Tin Goose, #1027 is probably one of the
most well known of all the Tuckers as it is the car that rolled at Indy.

I doubt this "convertible" will bring anything near what a restored #1027 would bring.


I do believe this is a $5,000,000 car as 1027 putting the roof back on it. 1027 is one of the most important cars in Tucker History. The roof is not hard to make out of other cars and I know since I made a roof for my Tucker car I'm building. Now the doors are also not very hard to make if you get a samole to copy or you can get original Tucker doors which are still around.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Prototype » Sat May 30, 2009 1:47 pm

Tucker- Awesome Detective work and Great comparison picture! You did not get off topic at all! How is the progress on your project? We would love to see pictures! The point I was trying to make earlier about the stamping dies, was that the only reason the rear fender of the Con-Vera-tible has so much repair work evident in the pictures is that it can only come from 1027 while at Indy. Not from being originally constructded in pieces as stated before. Just my two cents! Tucker, on many occasions has never ceased to amaze with his brilliant detective work! I commend you for your dilligence! Too bad you could not get in touch with the fellow who has the red frame in his yard to use or at least get dimensions!
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tucker Fan 48 » Sat May 30, 2009 3:28 pm

I do believe this is a $5,000,000 car as 1027 putting the roof back on it. 1027 is one of the most important cars in Tucker History. The roof is not hard to make out of other cars and I know since I made a roof for my Tucker car I'm building. Now the doors are also not very hard to make if you get a sample to copy or you can get original Tucker doors which are still around.

I think a roof would be pretty easy to do for someone with that type of experience. Once the doors are on it the shape is pretty much determined.
There are certainly examples around to take measurements off of. It's too bad they've chopped the car up so badly now. It looked like when they
first got the car it would have been real easy to fix it correctly. Seems like they were so busy pushing this "convertible" story they didn't know they
really had one of the most famous Tuckers ever built.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby TUCKER » Sat May 30, 2009 4:26 pm

I know it can still be saved. All the important parts are still there. All the hard to make parts are still there. The roof and doors are not a big problem.
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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Randy Earle » Sat May 30, 2009 6:01 pm

TUCKER wrote:Hi Earle, could you send me another private message with your email since it will not let me send you a reply. I have answers to your photo.


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Re: Tucker Convertible on Ebay

Postby Tuckeroo » Sun May 31, 2009 10:20 pm

Tucker Fan 48 wrote:I think it would sound better if they said it is 1027 restored as a convertible

Tucker, that has really been my point all along. Rather than try to sell a story about the
secret car and Project Vera and sneaking it out the backdoor of the plant, why not just
promote it as what it is? Body #1027 restored as a convertible. Most Tucker lovers
would embrace it and be very supportive of their efforts. Personally I would have put a
roof back on it and called it #1027 but that is just me. A restored #1027 would bring
1 million + if it were done properly. After the Tin Goose, #1027 is probably one of the
most well known of all the Tuckers as it is the car that rolled at Indy.

I doubt this "convertible" will bring anything near what a restored #1027 would bring.


That is a story that I could accept, too. But do you suppose it has a reverse gear? (The story, not the car)
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